Random Atheist Question #5

Does an atheist have faith in the scientific method?

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12 responses to “Random Atheist Question #5

  1. I don’t think Christians and atheists trust the scientific method for good reasons. Atheists may have faith in certain scientists or unproven theories, but I wouldn’t describe their view of the scientific method the same way.

  2. @justin

    Right on. The scientific method has been proven to work, many many times over. Anybody is free to show it doesn’t work, or propose a better way of doing things. That, is the scientific method after all. We don’t have ‘faith’ in the method, we know it works, it has been demonstrated to everybody’s satisfaction many times.

    Knowledge that something works based on repeated demonstration of it is not the same thing, in the same category or even in the same league as ‘faith’ in something that cannot be proven by definition.

  3. Faith is the belief in something without evidence or knowledge. No, I have faith in nothing. I believe in the scientific method, but I do not think it is infallible. It relies on procedures to be carried out by humans and humans are imperfect, therefore, the scientific method is imperfect. However, when followed precisely and methodically and objectively, it is as close to perfect as can possibly be achieved and yields the purest truth- or more pure than anything else.

  4. @july7nyc – faith in the Christian context does not mean without evidence, it means without “proof”. No biggie, just FYI.

  5. @Justin
    Main Entry: proof
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: evidence, authentication

    While the two words do not always mean the same thing, they can be used interchangeably. No biggie, just FYI.

  6. @Justin
    How do YOU differentiate between the two words? As mentioned by zebulonthered, they are used interchangeably. They are also used to define each other so there is no substantial difference. And it’s not just Christians- all religion relies on faith. The very definition of faith is belief without logical proof or material evidence. Faith is confidence that something is true without positive/certain knowledge or proof, but no matter how one looks at it, faith is not knowledge.

  7. Evidence supports a case while proof is 100%.

  8. Basically i would say there is a difference between “blind faith” and “reasonable faith”. When a jury must convict someone guilty, they do not know with 100 percent sure confidence that they are correct. However, when the prosecutor makes a good case, they may vote guilty with a reasonable faith. Christian faith is like stepping into the light rather than a leap into the darkness. You may disagree and that is fine. I just wanted to distinguish what I meant when I say faith and evidence.

  9. @Justin
    But evidence can be proof and proof can be evidence. I see what you mean though. As far as I was using the term, I mean in any religious context. I guess the way you feel about “proof” vs “evidence”, I feel about “faith” vs “belief.” I would personally never use the word faith to describe an informed belief such as a trial. If I was a juror, I would say that to the best of my knowledge (the knowledge provided by the court) and the evidence presented, I believe this person is/not guilty. Obviously, evidence is not “proof” necessarily in this scenario otherwise there would be no reason to have to decide guilt or innocence. Proof might be a video of the crime- the physical video being the evidence. Yet in the absence of a video, evidence would be all other relevant data/material- which may or may not be proof. Yet either way, the existence of god has no proof nor evidence so therefore, any religion’s faith/belief is not based on evidence or proof.

    Your description of Christian faith as stepping into the light rather than a leap into darkness makes no sense. The light of what? Imagination? Hope? Delusion? Certainly not knowledge or facts or anything rational or positive.

    (I’m ridiculously overly exhausted right now and my train of thought is a little jumpy so if my comment is confusing- it’s the lack of sleep…I’m going to bed now.)

  10. @july7nyc How do you know “he existence of god has no… evidence”? Isn’t it possible that there is evidence you have not run across?

  11. @Justin
    The same can be said about unicorns, Justin. Should we believe in them too?

  12. Justin :
    @july7nyc How do you know “he existence of god has no… evidence”? Isn’t it possible that there is evidence you have not run across?

    No. That’s not possible. It’s ridiculous to assume otherwise. No one can prove something does not exist. You can only prove it does. And there is neither proof nor evidence supporting the existence of a god. I used to be “open-minded” about it, but have come to realize doing so is simply naive and frankly, idiotic. Being open-minded does not mean you open your mind and let ‘whatever’ fall in. It just means you are open to alternative perspectives, ideas, practices, etc. But when you open your mind to things that are irrational and unreal, it just becomes delusions.

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