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Both Christians and Atheists Are Fools

Everyone has heard Christians quote Psalm 14:1 to atheists.
“The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.””
According the biblegateway.com the Hebrew words rendered fool in Psalms denotes one who is morally deficient. I wonder if the average Christian who uses this verse to insult atheists knows what they are really saying. I would guess not. They most likely think the word “fool” means a stupid or idiotic person so we will go with that.
Everyone has also heard Atheists say that Christians can’t be all that bright if they are stupid enough to believe in fairy-tales, not understanding how evolution works, and not recognizing confirmation bias in the realm of prayer. The mind that uses reason instead of faith has a difficult time understanding how these things could be missed by a thinking and intelligent person.
Why am I pointing out that fact that both Christians and Atheists think the other group to be fools? Simply because both groups are fools. Not for the reasons given but because both assume the other are fools for not seeing the world as they do. I see no evidence for a god or gods anywhere in the known universe. I could be wrong about that. I don’t think I am but who knows? If I am wrong, then I’m not a fool. I’m just wrong. The same is truth the other way. Many people see what they perceive as evidence for a god or gods everywhere they look. They could very well be mistaken. Does that make them foolish? No, it just makes them mistaken.
Whenever we get to a point where we start to assume members of other groups are fools because they disagree with us, even on seemingly huge topics, we are the ones being foolish. One can be smart, well read, compassionate, and wrong about any given thing simultaneously. It’s not difficult.

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I’m Back.

I know I said that I would no longer write on this blog but I feel the need to do so again. It has been over a year and my life has changed but I am still fighting the good fight and all that. I do not have internet at home right now, as some God fearing crackhead took all my computer stuff down to the modem, so I will be posting once or twice a week and commenting in like frequency.
If any of my old friends are still out there. Hi.

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

Well, my friends, this is the end. I am not posting on this blog again. I am not closing it for now, but it is time to move on. I truly appreciate everyone’s input and honest discussion. I have learned a lot here and have grown as a person and in my understanding of the world. Thank you all.

Zeb

P.S. Wingnut, Bradley, Jeston, Glen, Jimmy (and wife), Chris, and everyone else who has put a lot of time into this blog, I consider all of you my friends and will ,most likely, miss you all.

P.P.S. I will be continuing my writing in another fashion somewhere else and, no, I am not saying how or where. 🙂 So, see you when I see you.

Minimalist And The Start of a Serious Discussion

This is a conversation that I have moved from the “About Zeb” page.

Steve Wunderink (frankie’s husband)
Aug 27, 2010 @ 20:48:06

Zeb … if you are ready for a serious discussion I am more than willing … but first you need to define a few terms for me. No meaningful discussion can take place when we use words that mean different things to different people:

Define these definitions of yourself for me:
Minimalist?
Zen Budhist
Hippie
“think independently”
slavery

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zebulonthered
Aug 28, 2010 @ 18:24:50

Hi Steve,
How is life in the big city?
I am more than happy to define these words for you.

Minimalist – To own as few material possessions as possible. I could even
go so far as to say that I don’t believe anyone “owns” anything.

Zen Buddhist – I am not exactly a Zen Buddhist, but I follow many of the
practices. I do not believe the supernatural parts of Buddhism. I have my
own ideas of how things work. Buddha said to try all of it, and set
aside what doesn’t work.

Hippie – I say I am a hippie because I think that the System is broken
and we need to do something about it. I also think about what I do and
what I buy, how it will effect me and those around me. I don’t use soap
or deodorant and I rarely use shampoo because they are bad for me and the
environment. I think that corporate America is an unnecessary evil. I
think that we need to rethink how we do things. I could go on…

“think independently” – Independent thought is looked down upon in this
culture. If someone has the nerve to think differently, they are shunned.
People have an “understanding” of how the world works and they hold to
it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. When we
teach our children that there is only one way of doing things, we are
setting them up to be mindless zombies. We tend to get upset if they ask
too many questions, and so they learn to stop asking. That is bad.

slavery – Bondage, either mental or physical.

I could elaborate but I don’t like writing books. 🙂

What would you like to talk about?
I can make a post for the subject if you like.
Oh, can you write a little bit about yourself so I know where you are coming from? Thanks.

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Steve
Aug 28, 2010 @ 20:09:58

WOW … where to start … I’ll ask a question in each of your definitions and see which rabbit hole we want to go down …

Minimalist: Why would it be wrong to “own” something or to “possess” something?

Zen Buddhist: You are not “exactly” a Buddhist so there is some wiggle room there but what are the “supernatural” parts of Zen Buddhism? What is your “idea” of how things work?

Hippie: So hippie is the opposite of corporate America? AND hippie is protecting the envrironment through watching what you do and buy? What are your thoughts on a better way than corporate America?

Think Independently: Why do you think independent thot is looked down on? Is “independant” thought the same thing as “different” thaought? What if there IS only one way to do things? (1+1=2, etc).

Slavery: Do you think you or anyone will/can EVER be free from some sort of bondage or do we just trade one bond for another?

there’s a start … let’s go from there

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zebulonthered
Aug 28, 2010 @ 21:24:01

Steve ~ I think we could take them in order but I have to ask why you would care why or what I think. I have not heard from you in years and you show up here and start probing into my life. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind. I am just curious about your motivations.
Also, I was hoping for some info about you. I have some vague memories but nothing more.

I will respond to you question about Minimalist: Why would it be wrong to “own” something or to “possess” something?

I never said it was “wrong” to own things I said that I don’t believe anyone “owns” anything. It is a Buddhist thing I think. I don’t keep a lot of stuff because I do not wish to be attached to things I do not need. Attachment leads to suffering… I don’t think that we can own anything anyway. All we have is our minds. Our thoughts. Our deeds. Everything else we just use for awhile. For example, how can we own land? It has been here for billions of years. We have only lived for a few decades. If anything the land owns us becuase we came from it. Owning things is an artificial human construct. And not all humans think of things in that way.
Think about it. Do you own anything that can be taken away at any moment? Your shirt? Your car? Your life? All we have is our minds, thoughts, and deeds. When those are trampled on it is a great wrongness.

Now, how about it. What is your motivation and you Bio.

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Steve
Aug 28, 2010 @ 23:19:31

Good questions.

I care because I choose to. I have known you for a long time even though we have not spoken in years and even when we were in the same state we didn’t speak much. I am not probing into you as much as, I believe, you are probing/challenging the world (religious world, corporate world, the MAN, etc) My motivating is nothing beyond Proverbs 27:17.

My bio? I am a cultural exegete.

Minimalist: “I don’t believe anyone owns anything” I think I understand. But now we need to define the word “OWN” What does it mean to own something. Sounds like one of your definitions of ownership is “to be attached to” something. Another definition for ownership is to “come from” something. Also you define it as possessions “shirt, car” or something that can be taken away. So you gave me at least three difinitions for ownership of something. Remember without agreeing on the definitions we can’t get anywhere, it is as if we are speaking a different language.

If you define ownership as “being attached to” I would agree. We should not “own” or attach ourselves to anything worldly, anything that can rust or fade away. But we can and should attach ourselves to each other right? Isn’t that what marriage is al about? Isn’t that what love truly is? So by that definition of own we vow to own each other when we get married, when we have kids, etc. Attachement leads to suffering YES but it also is the only path to truely loving someone. You cannot love someone if you are not attached, engaged, and OWNING each other.

The second definition is to come from something signifies ownership like we come from the earth and to the dust we shall return. Buddhism teaches that we should not be attached to this world, detachment is the goal, not NEEDING the things of this world is a step to Nirvana. Okay, to follow that teaching to its completion if no one owns anything then everyone owns everything correct? Unfortunately that reasoning leads to chaos and the only thing that holds off chaos is artificial human constructs like laws on ownership, on stealing, on rape, on killing. It is NOT the artificial human construct that are the problem, they are necessary to keep chaos away. The problem is silly and stupid humans using those artificial constructs for their own gain and selfishness.

Lastly your defnition of ownership is over things that can be taken away. And you are RIGHT you should not become attached to someTHING that can be taken. But again, that referrs to THINGS and not people. You MUST become attached to people.

Let me give you a few simple definitions of “ownership” of my own and see if you can agree with them.

Ownership is a temporary economic transaction. Used to keep stability in a society.

Ownership is stewardship. To own something means that you are responsible for it. YOU must care for it, nurture it, grow it, see that it is better after you leave than it was before you came. Therefor the more you own the more responsibility you have to be a steward. If you are a good steward the more you own the better it is for society. If you are a bad steward the less you own the better it is for society.

Thoughts?

Silence

I am tired of being misunderstood or misconstrued. So I am going to stop talking for awhile.

Peace.

Taking A Short Break.

Hi everybody, I have decided to take a short break form my blog. I have been finding the whole business rather frustrating lately. That and I have finals coming out that I need to get ready for. So please stick around I will be back in a few weeks.

Have a great two or three weeks. 🙂
Zeb

Why Do We Need To Be Right?

Have you ever noticed that we humans tend to disregard ,with out a second thought, the thought and beliefs of those who have different ways of looking at things? Way is that? Is it not possible to learn something new from other world views?
I think it all comes down to the overwhelming and unhealthy need we have to be right. Why do we have this need? What good does it do? I don’t know for sure, but maybe it has something to do with connection between self-worth and beliefs. At some point we start to become linked to our belief system in a subconscious way so that if someone says something against our beliefs we feel as though they are saying something against us. We think that if our beliefs are not seen as valid, we are not seen valid. This mindset has a negative effect on the growing process of individuals and nations. It is not an easy task, to learn to think in a different way, but maybe we should try.